What is Guruji's view on divorce? I have listened to many of his talks on CD but did not come across this topic. Is it better to stay in a marriage full of conflicts or it is better to just separate even if there are young children? My husband and I disagree on many things regarding the upbringing of our children and there are lots of conflicts and tension which is causing me a lot of stress.

better to get seperated rather then keep hanging for hope of getting love from your partner

plese why are you thinking that your partner should give love ,plese tghink of giving it from your side

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#14695 On Sun, 2007 10 21 01:18 ahmed said,

Please join Art of living group of facebook..........jgd

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JGD Momo

#14694 On Sat, 2007 10 20 19:43 Sandra26 said,

Prayer, Patience, Perseverance and Surrender pay off. Its my personal experience. Meditate and Communicate. It will definitely help you find a way out.
ALWAYS KEEP SMILING.
God Bless Your Family.

Love
Sandra

Reply to the post by sonofsun's: Surrender, Hope & Success

#14693 On Sat, 2007 10 20 12:16 nikheaven said,

What I wrote is not some dry words from the intellect but something that I’ve experienced and learnt from other’s experience.

Whatever decisions we take has two outcomes-success or failure; and that’s why to avoid or escape the latter outcome I suggested (from my experience) Momo to surrender to the divine.

The day you start seeing people around you as “souls” and not humans, you’ll forget this word-selfish. I’ve met many selfless people, believe me. There are different layers of existence and different layers of consciousness which we are not much aware of; this can’t be revealed and so we do not find much about them in the books, they are to be experienced. So if you prioritize goals like this it’s natural that you get rid of vices in the manner of the tree i.e. there’s no need for us to pluck the withered leaves from the trees in fact they fall automatically. Similarly, we get rid of vices. I’ve never seen AOL as a family made up of humans. Remember, Gurudev often talks and has a vision about Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam. So following his words I try to see the whole world as a family.

I believe that destiny can be altered. To find out how…. just keep reading…….

Sanhita Karma and Prarabdha Karma: (see reference in the footnote)

Some karmas can be changed and some cannot.

When you prepare a dessert, if sugar or ghee is too little, you can add more. If some other ingredient is too much, it can all be adjusted and repaired. But once it is cooked, it cannot be reversed.

Milk can become sweet yogurt or sour yogurt, and sour yogurt can be sweetened. But neither can be reversed back to milk.

Sanchita karma can be changed and adjusted by spiritual practices. Prarabdha karma cannot be changed. And satsang burns the seed of all negative karmas before they are given a chance to sprout.

Reference: Pg. 10, An intimate note to the sincere seeker, Vol 1, Vyakti Vikas Kendra India, Publication Division; Compiled by: David L. Burge, Gary Boucherle, Bill Hayden & Anne Elixhauser

Thanks,
Nikhil

Dear Nikhil,

#14714 On Tue, 2007 10 23 12:42 sujalaroy said,

Dear Nikhil,

You have explained it very beautifully !

Dear Momo,
Have you done the Eternity process ? You can consider doing that after consulting with your basic/advanced course teacher. It is a beautiful process and I have learnt to see every thing in a much wider perspective of time/space after doing it.
Wish you all the best ! You would definitely emerge triumphant out of present situation.
Love and regards,
Sujala
"This hand can either hold a carrot or the entire universe" - Sri Sri

Surrender, Hope & Success

#14687 On Fri, 2007 10 19 14:48 nikheaven said,

Dear Madam,

Jai Gurudev.

It seems too many people are concerned about your present and future life. Lucky!!! The suggestions posted by these souls are worth accepting, but then I do understand that "easier said than done."

Surrender: Whenever a soul is in problem it tries its best to work it out. When the problem is totally out of control the last thing it tries is praying to the Almighty. And we all have experienced that prayers are answered but the time frame is decided by the Almighty. This process is called Surrender. Surrender is happenning. So I suggest you to pray to the Almighty or to your Guru to give a feasible answer to your problem. Just ask him to drive your life and trust me you'll be happy no matter whatever scene you are into.

Benjamin Franklin says, "Those things that hurt instruct”; And Gurudev says that every problem and mistakes happen to make the person learn from the situation. Just ask yourself that what does the Almighty wants you to learn from this situation? I'm sure contemplating would find you an answer. There are no problems/mistakes in life, only lessons which will allow you to grow and advance higher on the path of self-mastery. And don't forget that "Any mistake happens only through ignorance, not through intention."
And the essence of genius is knowing what to overlook. I'm sure you are a genius.

Don't event think to lose HOPE:

Gurudev once said, "Once a fairy gave four candles to a boy. He took them home and lit them. The first candle told: I am wealth as you are poor I can't be with you and it blew off. The second candle told: I am happiness as you don't have money I can't be with you it too went off. The third candle told: I am love as you don't have money and happiness I can't be with you and it too blew off. The 4th candle told the weeping boy: Don't worry I am hope you can light all others with me."

So don't lose hope.

Success:
Lastly, Success can be measured not only in achievements, but in lessons learned, lives touched and moments shared along the way.

Thanks,
Nikhil

Surrender, Hope & Success

#14688 On Fri, 2007 10 19 16:43 sonofsun said,

What you say is interesting Nikhil.

my only point is that momo should use her own head and the guidance from almighty (as you also said).

THe god above is one and we are all his children. consider spiritual people or spritual path as guiding posts, at best but nothing more than that. Remember, as humans we all have our own personal selfish interests. and this 'all' includes our wonderful aol family also, coz it is also made up of humans only. but there is one god, who decides our fate. no one else, no one

JAY GURUDEV MOMO

#14596 On Thu, 2007 10 11 23:56 Girish Patadia said,

So you want to seperate - divorce. Well if it is only about disagreement with your husband for many things it is O.K as in disagreement there has to be two. i mean when you disagree both of you are responsible the problem is when one gets into who is more right.
Give space to yourself and your husband. i hope you have done some course of Art of Living and so has your husband. If not it will not be a bad idea to do it but be sure you do not get a NO when it could have been a YES.
Guruji is concerned a lot for each one of us and has talked on many subject if one goes into it sincerely there is no problem which does not have a tail as a solution. If a problem does not solve it has to be a fact and one should accept it .
Wishing you momo ( what a nice name ) , your Husband and Your lovely children a Happy Journey Togather. MAY THE BLESSING OF GURUJI BE ALWAYS WITH YOU ALL.
girish

Marriage, a commitment

#14585 On Thu, 2007 10 11 10:56 SureNell said,

Jai Gurudev

Check the talk CD, "Marriage, a commitment". This talk has relationship management techniques :)

With lots of Love
Suresh

__________________________________________________________
The best vitamin to be a happy person is B1

Jai Guru Dev

#14584 On Thu, 2007 10 11 07:46 Raju Mumbai said,

What Guruji says on this;

Q : No love between husband and wife, we have one child, should we divorce

A : What is marriage ? I am there for you , to support you , come what may.
Divorce should be the last alternative, where both of you are in hell,
miserable for quite some time or from day one you have been miserable then
its better you go your own way. Marriage builds patience, accommodating,
commitment, dedication, in marriage all these things can happen, is it not.
I think so I’m just guessing ( laughter )

Q. How to maintain harmony with husband or wife?

A. Keeping silence. There was a german in the ashram. He fell in love with
an italian woman. But this man has divorced thrice before. He felt this is
the ideal soul mate. He asked me," Guruji, I have met this italian women
she is my ideal soul mate. I want to marry her. But the problem is she
doesn't know german and I don't know italian. How can we together live a
happy life?". I told,"Don't teach her german and you don't learn italian,
you will live happily." Now they are married for past 13 years.

have you ( both) taken the courses - together

#14582 On Thu, 2007 10 11 03:23 Deepak B said,

" Continue Arguing Look at this arguing mind. This is what you have been carrying all these years---and you want to continue carrying it? " SRI SRI

Doing things "together " is the KEY - WITH togetherness there is no conflict
Step One - HAVE you ( both ) taken the courses - together ????
( together means OUR idea & NOT - my idea or your idea )

************** NOW work on this thought - TOGETHER ******* :-)

God ALWAYS works in beautiful ways ... while we ignore the obvious - right on the face & in the face

- One Smart brain to use
- TWO eyes to observe
- Two Ears to Listen
- One nose
- One Mouth
____________________________

look in the mirror ( RIGHT NOW ) and observe...

level 1- Brain is at the top
level 2- Ears and eyes are at the same level ( That is four things )
level 3- nose for breathing etc
lowest level on the face is * MOUTH * ( chin is a jaw bone )
________________________________________________

MOUTH is situated lowest & below 6 other parts.

so Mouth should be used in the same proportion 1/6 of everything else.

99% problems are due to the Mouth-speaking ( more that 1/6 allocation)

eyes- Blink open & close naturally,
nose- air comes in & goes Naturally
ears listen naturally - even when sleep ( that is why alarms are usefull)
your heart beats naturally etc. etc. so many things

** E X C E P T *** THE mouth ...........wonder why - it opens only when you want to.

Becuase it is meant to be ??? Used with wise discretion / choice .

Celebrate more silence - MORE often

jai Gurudev
.........
Deepak Baboota at
om om om - om om om - om om om

http://www.BABOOTA.com

aol & divorce

#14678 On Fri, 2007 10 19 06:17 sonofsun said,

It's an interesting topic that you have raised. I have been with aol for a good enough time now and can safely & sagely make a few observations.

If you know and if you observe carefully, there are a large number of people who are divorcees in AoL. and a good proportion of this is of people who got married in aol only !!

I dont think people here are seriously bothered if you get divorced or you marry or anything else, especially teachers. under the pretext of 'guruji is seeing everything', they tend to carry on with their own small targets (usually one-upmanship) and dont really give a damn to whats happeneing to the innocent faithfuls. so pls dont look for support within aol unless there is a close group of personal friends.

secondly i dont think guruji has ever said anything against or for divorce. people like rhea pillai, an aol teacher and a so called celebrity, have children ouside marriage and are still within the A circle of Guruji. so you can very well imagine what stand does aol have on such things.

chill !

lets chill

#14723 On Wed, 2007 10 24 12:28 Martina said,

Divorce, marriage, what is the big deal when u r happy u r happy when u r miserable u r miserable. Friendships seperate, and it is no big deal, but because society demands universal standards attached to marriage so breaking a marriage becomes a big deal. The core though is, that we seek comfort and happiness, belonging to somebody, to be loved unconditionally. If someone feels that he is unhappy with the person he believed(!!!! - see it is only a belief, a thought, an expectation) to be happy with for the rest of the life as society dictates, and this does not turn into reality, then breaking up is that persons individual choice. There are no broken hearts, only broken expectations. Another value may be added is that one should not deceive others, but also not deceive yourself. Be sensible and make sure it is not a momentary anger or emotion which may lead to self-distruction, but a condition u cannot see urself living with for the rest of ur life. It the conflict cannot be resolved, then a choice is to be made.
love to all concerned, involved and entangled

Chilled :-)

#14725 On Wed, 2007 10 24 13:13 SureNell said,

Jai Gurudev

This was a nice one :-)

With lots of Love
Suresh

__________________________________________________________
The best vitamin to be a happy person is B1

its chilly!

#14717 On Tue, 2007 10 23 21:11 Aditi Sengupta said,

"United we stand and Divided we fall" that is the proverb we are hearing, but now the word "Divorce" is so commonplace. we can take the example of a beautiful lady and a leading female role model, Hema Malini who has showed that how the broken pieces can be made into a beautiful flower called family.
Division is never good. And at this time when it is becoming so rampant we should take that into serious consideration:we have already gone through long years of staying subdued and after the long sought for Independence are we going to get into the same trend of "Divide and Rule?"
Is this a threat to our existence, we just have to keep our eyes open, in whatever steps we take.
Jai Gurudev,
Regards,
Aditi